Speaker 1:
welcome to the fourth and ten fantasy football podcast, brett, joined by brendan. It's been a little bit but you know hasn't much been happening in the football world. How you doing, buddy.
Speaker 2:
I'm doing good, ready to talk some football? Yeah, I agree. I mean there's been a couple things going on. I mean a lot to analyze, I suppose. But we'll do this and then probably not another one. What? Until after the draft.
Speaker 1:
Probably not until after the draft, unless something big happens like what the first topic we're gonna have tonight, which is the stefan digs trade.
Speaker 2:
A lot of things go into this. When you do a lot of reading, you realize just how uh, he's a typical elite receiver.
Speaker 1:
Yes, I think the best way to put this is a lot of the stuff that fans had noticed last year with the bills and had been reported and then refuted by the team, shouldn't have been refuted, but you can't do it when the player is on your team. But Stefan Diggs gets traded to the Texans, which leaves the Bills in a very precarious situation when it comes to the wide receiver core, which is what is their wide receiver core. But the Texans now are stacked pretty much everywhere. They look like they have totally won the offseason. I hope it actually translates to more wins and actually being a good team and maybe even Super Bowl contender, because on paper they look that way.
Speaker 2:
You know, on paper it has not worked out, because on paper the Chargers should be so good every year besides this one, and then they're just not. But I, I love it for the texans because I mean, did you see all the stipulations with it where they?
Speaker 1:
yeah, like they negotiated stuff on dig's contract down to one year, so it's no longer like they. Like I think they voided the last three years of his contract right.
Speaker 2:
So they basically, they basically said hey, diggs, do good for us this year, you'll get paid somewhere else next year. That's essentially what they're saying, right.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 2:
So I mean good for them to be like hey, we're doing everything for you, please be good for us. That's essentially what they're saying and all really.
Speaker 1:
I mean for a second round pick, but kind of not, because they got picks back. So seventh and a sixth back and it's the second round for 2025. Like the bills sold him for nothing and I think they could have gotten more, I this feels like a dump off for the bills. Like do you?
Speaker 2:
I think it was like hey, we got to get rid of this guy.
Speaker 1:
He's a cancer I mean, obviously the steelers wouldn't take him, because you don't need stefan digs and pickens together. But how many teams would have offered? I feel like they would have offered more for this digs.
Speaker 2:
I feel like they couldn't have if it, because I don't, I don't know that the bills would have done him a favor, like I don't don't think it was the Justin Fields situation Like, yeah, we could have gotten more, but we're doing him a favor. I think they would have taken the best deal.
Speaker 1:
I guess the reason that was a big deal was his contract, Because his contract's big but he does come with a lot. And I mean, no matter what anyone wants to say, those sideline explosions don't look good. And whether you want to say he's your emotional leader or not, I remember saying this the other day. I forget who it was too, but I was like I'd rather have Jalen Hurts as my emotional leader. I don't want you to make a noise that's my emotional leader, because it's just set in stone, ready to go. Diggs is quite volatile.
Speaker 2:
So this move has more ramifications than I feel like it should. But like josh allen might not be qb1 now I was okay.
Speaker 1:
I definitely wanted to talk about that. I really did, because I'm like how do we look at josh allen and not drop him down now? I don't know how far I want to, because digsiggs was kind of we can say kind of a non-factor last year, but he was still there. When it comes to like, I guess I shouldn't say non-factor, he wasn't what you would have expected from him at the beginning of the last year. He's not there anymore. So it's like are you going to say that Dalton, kincaid and shakir are going to be enough to put this guy in the top three, let alone?
Speaker 2:
one. So what you said is almost opposite. He was great first half, and then they fired the offensive coordinator and then one became so run heavy and they didn't target digs, and that's, I think, when the whole diva thing came out, where it's like you're not using me at all. Why should I, you know, play when the team was actually playing well.
Speaker 1:
Digs was a non-factor when they started winning game, because they started out like sh*t last year. Yeah they did yeah so I mean, I'm not saying that digs is like awful, he's not like he's a fantastic wide receiver. I don't think he's falling off, but when you lose that, so let's put digs as a top 10 wide receiver. We can debate all we want, but let's just say top 10 don't matter. Where does that affect josh allen?
Speaker 2:
enough to move him down on your board that affect Josh Allen enough to move him down on your board at this point. I haven't moved him down, but I'm you know what I, what I might do. I don't know if I'll move him down as number one. I'll move him down in where I'll take him, though he's no longer like a two, three turn guy for me. I think he might fall to three, four for me now I so I'm probably not getting him. Yeah, I don't know if I can put anybody else above him, because if you look at the other guys I have around him, they don't have a stud number one either.
Speaker 1:
Well, Jalen Hurts has AJ Brown. That's who I have. Sure, he's number four, for me he's number two for me this year, just because I think they're actually be better for me. He's number two for me this year, just because I think they'll actually be better Overall, yeah.
Speaker 2:
They had a lot going on, a lot of sh*t going on last year.
Speaker 1:
I think last year was a good example of what we always talk about, which is the Super Bowl hangover, actually happening. My top five right now is Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow is what I have.
Speaker 2:
Me too. Different order, Patrick.
Speaker 1:
Mahomes and Joe.
Speaker 2:
Burrow is what I have, me too. Different order.
Speaker 1:
Yep, that's funny, I have Lamar QB too, because and I want to move them up.
Speaker 2:
so bad If that's the same reason man. I have them too, and he doesn't have a receiver, I know. So why would I move Josh Allen back, like in my mind, they're just fantasy studs.
Speaker 1:
Who cares if they don don't even throw the ball? They're rushing is crazy good and they're catching. The only thing I think it might do is I may end up moving jalen hurts above him, and the only reason will be if it'll be after the draft, if the bills go out, and draft a few quality wide receivers and I'm going to shut up and it won't matter, or they even. I know it sounds stupid, but they bring in michael gallup, just someone who can catch the f*cking ball. Shakir is good enough to be, I think, a wide receiver too, but if you have two wide receiver, twos teams have gotten by with that. So, yeah, you're not gonna get a number one. Where they're drafting, they're probably drafting guys like thomas, which, yeah, he's's good. Brian Thomas could be amazing, but there's a lot of risk factor in him. I don't know, man. I don't think I can move him down anywhere lower than two.
Speaker 2:
He's not going to fall out of top five for sure. No, for sure. One or two guys might leap ahead of him as we get closer, but for now he's my number one. I don't care, he's been one or two ever since he's been in the league.
Speaker 1:
I don't care, I can't move him down from that, and the other problem is no one's improved their stock well enough to supplant him. Like as good as CJ Stroud looks like he could be, I can't move him that far I have.
Speaker 2:
CJ Stroud as eight for me.
Speaker 1:
I moved far. I have cj's for me. I moved him up because I'm like he can't. He's got so much going on. You know what's nuts? Who my number six is, and I almost want to vomit having him as my number six, but I long as he's on this team, I don't see him being worse yeah, take a guess.
Speaker 1:
I said Dak no man Jordan Love, I don't want to if he was on any other team if he was on any other team, but the fact that he is on that team with the floor, the offensive game planning. I'm not a Jordan Love believer but I'm definitely going to admit the fact that that last year there he's not going to be lower than top 10 with the way he played. He played well enough in his first year and I'll even call that his rookie year. When it comes to actual play time, he needs to be a top 10 guy and I look at the guys around him and I'm like I have more question marks outside of CJ Stroud, who's below him, on everybody else, and really I have question marks about Stroud because can he do it again is a question.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, stroud just has so much more talent around him, so a hundred percent, I mean. That's why I have to have him above but I feel like yeah. Yeah, love. I feel like, yeah Diggs, yeah Love. It depends on where he's going. I mean, I think he definitely belongs in the QB1 territory, so top 12 for sure. But yeah, I definitely can't put him that high.
Speaker 2:
I know I feel bad saying it, but From this trade, though I feel like there's a lot going on, and the guy that is going to be my sneaky sleeper if there's no hype around him is, I kind of think, curtis. Samuel. Has a lot going on for the Bills if they don't add anybody. So. I said that to myself Because everybody's going to be on the other guy and I'm like Curtis Samuel's been sneaky good when he plays, so you just said it.
Speaker 1:
You said it at the end.
Speaker 2:
Snuck it in.
Speaker 1:
It's when he plays and I'm going to say this as nicely as I can he's Michael Thomas f*cking light. It's not that they play the same role, it's that he's just never on the field, Like he's getting paid to never show up. I I agree, If Curtis Samuel plays, I think he'll be sneaky good, because one of the things that the Bills offense has missed very probably for the last five years they need a slot wide receiver who's consistent. Essentially, yeah, they need that. Beasley wasn't even was that three or four years ago at this point. But that idea of having a consistent slot guy is so important for a guy like Josh Allen who's going to do it. If he starts to run and sees a guy is eight yards up the field, he can do a quick pass and that dude can take off because everyone's charging him. And that dude can I score a touchdown.
Speaker 2:
The other guy on that, on that team I I'll just quickly mention Jamesames cook, I think takes a tick up. I'm just not. Yeah, I'm not high on him, so I'm not really going to talk much about him. I don't like it that much I have him at 14 run.
Speaker 2:
See, I have him like 24, like I just like I don't know why I can't get behind it, but I think he should move up. And then the guy that takes the biggest leap in my, my opinion, with this move Kincaid, for sure Kincaid. I think he's going to be my tight end five-ish right around there, because if they have nobody else, kincaid was good, he was good last year and you think he's going to take a step forward.
Speaker 1:
So that's my biggest. To me, I think he's going to fight with one guy and again, this doesn't tell how much I've changed Brenton I think it's going to be Kincaid versus Pitts for my fifth seat. I really do think Pitts was a good quarterback, should be in the top five, because he hasn't had one. I mean, it's not his fault, he hasn't been catching the ball. He has some ridiculously horrible rate. Wasn't it like 60% of the passes his way weren't even catchable as some sh*t?
Speaker 2:
Something crazy. Yeah, I mean, I'm too high right now on Pitts and London, but I've told you this before. I'm a Cousins truther at this point. He makes the guys better around him.
Speaker 1:
It's weird because when I when I have to conversation I know I've said this before, but I have conversations with people about cousins and I am either defending cousins or attacking him, and it's never at the same time, because I don't love him, but I don't I also understand where I think he sits. I think he's an above average quarterback and that's about as far as I go, like I don't he's I have.
Speaker 2:
I have a player at every position. That is my anchor, yeah, and no matter what cousins is going to sit right around qb12, because I do believe that's where he's going to be, so like he's like my anchor for my qb1s guess who is my number 12 yeah, my number 12 was care cousins yeah yeah, like that's that guy.
Speaker 2:
I have that person outside of I mean tight end. I guess I have that guy. But like for wide receiver, running back, I have those people at my for wide receiver and running back it's more rb24 like this is he's going to stay there, I don't care, I'll move people up and down, he's staying there and that's cousins for me like solid I think cousins is.
Speaker 1:
I have him too low but I can't put him above the people yeah, no, I have a higher that's what I'm saying. Ceiling yeah so, anyway, we dragged on too long on that topic, which is fine.
Speaker 2:
We're just gonna blow through some of these but go to the texans real quick, unless you want to talk about that later. Do you want to talk about that later?
Speaker 1:
talk about texans. What?
Speaker 2:
the ramification, so they got digs so okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:
So I mean, who's gonna be the best?
Speaker 2:
receiver in your mind out of that group, who's gonna benefit?
Speaker 1:
obviously, shroud for sure so this is the issue. So I moved shroud up today, um barely, I mean he was already eight. So I mean I think I moved him. I think, wait a minute, yeah, I had him eight, I had him. I moved him to seven, um, which literally just happened right now.
Speaker 2:
So I had him eight and moved him to six.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, so here's what I think is going to happen games is the better of the two wide receivers between digs and nico, then it's going to shift and digs is going to be the superior for the rest of the season and it's not going to be close my issue. So nico took a huge hit for me, like a huge, huge hit, and stefan actually took a hit for me too. I think I had him like my wide receiver seven and I moved him back to 12. Um, let me check, yeah.
Speaker 1:
I have him 11. I moved Stefan digs from 11 from my six slot Um.
Speaker 2:
I mean Nico has moved from 12 to 18 and I moved Nico down to 32.
Speaker 1:
Um, and I moved tank Dell down just slightly. He was at 36. I moved him down to 38. Stroud can't. I don't think Stroud can support three wide receivers in the top 30. So I think Nico is in the range where, yes, he's 32, but like he could easily be 24. And I think those are the two guys that are going to benefit. And I think those are the two guys that are going to benefit and dell is going to almost be like shaheed this last, this, you know 2023, where he's going to have boom or bust games, where he's going to get you 24 points and then you're not going to see him for a few weeks because, like, his skill set is available, but how often is it going to be needed? It's?
Speaker 2:
I just can't see all three of them being top 30 yeah, I have them all top 30 right now, but I feel you on that. I feel like they could be. It's just going to be so up and down throughout the season for all of them that I want the one that's most consistent, and I really don't know who that's going to be. I think out of all of them I might just take the last guy, which will probably be Dell. Oh yeah, just because I want the latest guy, because I just I have no clue, I I kind of agree with you that Collins might start off a little hotter and then kind of fall off, but at one point one of these guys could get hurt again.
Speaker 2:
Like I, it's so hard to peg these guys. One of these guys could get hurt again. It's so hard to peg these guys. I think this move is a great move for the Texans, but I hate it for fantasy because I'm like dang. Now you have three dudes to compete. That are all good.
Speaker 1:
And that's the issue with Diggs for me is it was like, oh, diggs went from zero competition to having, I mean, nico is a sixth round pick and people can be like, oh, you know how great he was. Well, digs is gonna be superior for what he's done.
Speaker 2:
It doesn't really matter like that, it just depends on roles, because you're gonna have collins is for sure going to at least have four games where you're like, oh my god, why didn't I start him? Yep, but you're not going to know when to do it.
Speaker 1:
So he's going to be the one, I think. So people are going to draft him as their wide receiver three and wide receiver two, just put it that way, I feel like they might even go higher than that. So let's go wide receiver two, let's say wide receiver two and almost I feel like at the end of the season that's the guy that you're going to have a text message from somebody saying should I put Nico Collins on my flex?
Speaker 2:
And you're like f*ck, I feel like you almost have to.
Speaker 1:
I mean, yeah, that's the issue you're going to have is, I don't know how consistent he's going to be, to be considered weekly. I think at the end of the year he might finish 28. All three are great, best ball guys. Yes, I agree, um, I just don't know if I trust it's. We always talk about talent. I know you bring it up all the time. I would rather have the talent of digs over the talent of nico, because digs has shown it and proven it and and he's on the contract here technically.
Speaker 1:
He is technically on a contract and, if I'm gonna be honest, tank dell is more talented than nico collins. He's not taller but when it comes to skill set, tank dell can do more. He can give you exactly what so many teams look for, which is over the top speed and elusiveness. That's your guy, right there. So like I feel like as the year moves forward, like closer to draft time, tank dell may start to slightly raise and come into the point where I fall into like trying to grab him as my wide receiver three, where I may have fully avoid nico, even though I like him just because he's the guy that I feel like falls into the totally different situation because he didn't play this year. But the Zai Jones versus Calvin Ridley argument, where, if Jones plays, where would he be? What would he be weekly? We didn't get to see it because he didn't play at all this year, but that's kind of a good comparison in my mind is Nico would be your Zai Jonesones stefan's your calvin ridley yeah, it could be that way.
Speaker 2:
That's what's so hard. Is I really? I really don't know. The one that it should benefit, but I guarantee it just won't, is joe mixon. He shouldn't have any stacked boxes, but it's joe mixon, so who knows he? I feel like I'm too high on joe mixon for this reason that that often should score where do you have mixon? Oh, I got him 11. I'm stupid I have him 26.
Speaker 1:
That's way too low that's why I said I'm stupid, I'm too high so my issue with it is, though, is I look at the guys ahead of them and I'm like I would rather have every single one of them. Like, I mean, here's the guys I have listed directly above, and this is going to sound crazy. For a few of these I would rather have zamir white, devin singletary and toner pot tony pollard over joe mixon, because they don't f*cking anybody else with them I'll disagree with, but the other one sure.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I mean. What I'm saying is like there's no one in the backfield for sure but Spears and Pollard are like the same dude in my mind. So Pollard is weird, yeah, I mean. But then you have Ramon Stevenson. I'm, I have weights. I think I'm low, too low on him for this season especially if they get a decent quarterback.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 1:
And then Javante Williams is going to be better this year because he's going to pull not maybe a Brees Hall situation, but the guy's going to be better. This year. He came off of a pretty major surgery. We should have expected him to suck. David Montgomery, Najee Harris, Aaron Jones I said Jamal Charles, that would be kind of interesting. James Conner those are guys I have close to him.
Speaker 2:
The guys that you're mentioning, though, are all on worse offenses, though. That's the only reason I have Mixon high, because he's on a great offense. Montgomery is the only exception, I think, to the people you just said.
Speaker 1:
I think they might be a better offense in total.
Speaker 2:
Najee Harris will be a better offense but not better than the Texans.
Speaker 1:
No, the Texans should be.
Speaker 2:
That's where I'm like. You know what he's on a good offense.
Speaker 1:
I think Joe Mixon the touchdown equity isn't going to be there for this team that he got with the Bengals.
Speaker 2:
You don't think so.
Speaker 1:
I don't think so. They might have a better offense than the Bengals at?
Speaker 2:
You don't think so. I don't think so because I think the run might have a better offense than the Bengals at this point.
Speaker 1:
So you're talking better offense. I mean obviously not than 2023, but you think in 2021? Than the 2021 bangles you're saying yes because I will disagree with you see the talent.
Speaker 2:
I mean we're, we're gonna see, I I bet well it's one.
Speaker 1:
Nico collins is not an elite one with I mean t higgins and jamar chase. Jamar chase is either two or three, depending on how you ask his wide receiver, and t higgins is in most people's top 12. Nico collins is nowhere close to most people's top 12 when it comes to real life. Yes, and it comes to real life. You're not going down the list to put nico in your top 12 when it comes to wide receivers, don't even no no probably not but joe mixon.
Speaker 1:
That year was legitimately elite to the point of like elite elite, like that was his best year I know, but he technically wasn't.
Speaker 2:
If you look at stats team was he was like okay, I mean, he had f*ckload of touchdowns right, but like his efficiency has never been good, no, he's always I think he caught a lot of passes that year yeah, well, like a 3.5 guy when it comes to yards per carry, that's kind of what it says.
Speaker 2:
I can just kind of see him being close to that. Let me put it this way In my mind and I'm okay with this I'm going to draft him more than most people. He's my new David Montgomery this year. I was so high on Montgomery last year, but you weren't wrong on. Montgomery. I know I think Mixon is my new Montgomery. I can't. I know I think Mixon is my new Montgomery that I'm going to draft him higher than people. I know it feels gross, but I think I'm going to do it.
Speaker 1:
So here's the reason why I can't do it. David Montgomery is a better running back than Joe Mixon.
Speaker 2:
No, I yeah.
Speaker 1:
I mean, it's the and on a better team at this point, and it's his role, like David Montgomery's role, very defined, very easy to figure out. This dude's going to run the ball, he's going to run it straight. He's going to plow into your ass. I don't know what Joe Mixon is besides Le'Veon Bell Light, and that's really what he is. He jukes too much in the backfield and then takes off and gets three yards and you're like thank you.
Speaker 2:
I understand All the metrics tell me don't do it, but my head tells me do it Okay.
Speaker 1:
I mean I. If that's your guy, I'll let you have it. I've been on the Joe Mixon train for the last two years and gotten bit in the ass.
Speaker 2:
Now, granted, I had him as RB, eight last year and five the year before. I don't know where he officially landed, but definitely not. Oh, he was five last year. He was a five last year. Yeah, okay, so maybe we're just 2022.
Speaker 1:
He was 12, so I mean I'm not that far off on this. Okay, no, I thought I thought last I mean last year was really high on him too. I didn't know he finished five.
Speaker 1:
Okay, I tell you what me neither, until I just looked at it I mean, running back position as a whole was a garbage heap last year, but anyway, yeah, the Texans are going to be, they're going to be good. I don't know if they'll reach the Bengals level of greatness, but watch them do it. The CJ Stroud is what I thought he was going to be. I told you during that draft I was like this guy's going to be good.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, I'm kind of glad. I know the Panthers are my team, but I'm kind of glad he went to the texans because the panthers would still be just be twiddling their thumbs at this point so and wasting him. So I'm glad the texans are going for it in their two-year span, that they have him at a cheap salary and they are going all out. Oh yeah, this is offense defense everything this year and I'm happy to see it. I just want to know how it pans out in your career Exactly.
Speaker 1:
I'm worried, what I honestly am worried about this team Like, again, paper champs, if you were going into Madden, this is a team you want, yep, because they have everything you could possibly want. It's just going to really depend on if they can translate all these big moves and make them be cohesive, because apparently that matters and it actually does. Obviously, teams with less talent the Kansas City Chiefs have always been good because of Patrick Mahomes, and they're able to get the team to come together and play at the scheme, which really matters anyway.
Speaker 2:
The next 20 minutes on Stefan Diggs all right move on.
Speaker 1:
Oh man, the next ones don't really matter that much when it comes to fantasy because the moves have been very slight outside of this. Stefan Diggs one, which is fine we can talk. That's why we could talk about it so much. Kenny Pickett didn't want to compete with Russell Wilson, which meant the Steelers traded him away to the Eagles for basically peanuts and then the Steelers traded and got Justin Fields. Now again, we haven't talked in a few weeks that this was a move. Fields market wasn't what people expected.
Speaker 1:
I love that Khan was able to pull this off with Russell Wilson and Justin Fields as kind of your backup plan and Kenny Pickett can go sit on the bench and play with himself on the sidelines. It doesn't really matter when it comes to fantasy because he's not going to play with jalen hurts. I don't think it matters much when it comes to fantasy outside. It really removes justin fields from the playing field. Um, for quarterback, because I think a lot of people still probably had him close to the top 12 just because of his rushing ability and hopes that it would have improved. I doubt he seeds the field this year unless russell wilson is garbage so I had fields, I think it was like six or something.
Speaker 2:
For that same reason, I had him eight. Yeah, he just always has that high ceiling. But yeah, now he's almost undraftable. Maybe you can have him as a backup, but I do think they'll use him, but I don't think he's going to start. No, no, no. I think they're going to have some packages where maybe they're both on the field or they do some trickery.
Speaker 1:
I can't see that with Arthur Smith man. No, arthur Smith is the offensive coordinator. Maybe I had Matt LaFleur as the offensive coordinator. Like it's Arthur Smith.
Speaker 2:
Arthur Smith as a coordinator is better for your team than the head coach.
Speaker 1:
No, no. So Arthur Smith as the coordinator is great, but I know his scheme run heavy but there ain't no f*cking run it.
Speaker 2:
That's what I'm saying. No.
Speaker 1:
I'm saying but they're not. They don't do a lot of like creative packages, at least what I've seen from Arthur Smith.
Speaker 2:
You don't see things like, but I'm going to see Jalen Waterman. He hasn't been able to be creative with the quarterback.
Speaker 1:
But you could have been creative with your backfield last year. Why wouldn't you have Algier and Bijan on the field at the same time? Sure, like there's things like that where you could pull it off. I just don't think that's kind of his nature. I would love to say that Justin Fields is going to touch the field Uh-huh, but I'm going to say, as a Steelers fan, the only way that happens is if Russell Wilson really sucks, and if that's the case, I don't want to go through what I did in 2023.
Speaker 2:
I just feel like, if it's a you know fourth and one fourth and two.
Speaker 1:
He might come in to do some sort of play action fake.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, play action fake or roll out. I I feel like he could come in for certain plays. I don't think he'll play a lot, but I I do think we'll see him come in. I I get what you're saying with arthur smith, but he's played with what? Ryan tannahill?
Speaker 1:
uh, desmond ritter, he played with Ryan Tinkle when he was good.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, but he's not the same dynamic runner and they never had a backup like Fields, so I definitely understand.
Speaker 1:
I'll put it this way. I would love to see it as a Steelers fan Some creativity. I've been watching this team for, at this point, 23 years. True, they've never had. There ain't no such thing as creativity. Anyway, alexander Madison signs with Las Vegas at this point, 23 years. True, they've never had. There ain't no such thing as creativity. Um, anyway, alexander madison signs with las vegas. He's been a pure backup for his entire career. He had a chance last year, showed that he can't be the guy, which is kind of what I expected to happen, and it did. Kj osborne signs with new england, now brendan. I'm gonna talk about this because we have to.
Speaker 1:
Right now you have Kendrick Bourne and you have KG Osborne. No quarterback, what?
Speaker 2:
about Juju.
Speaker 1:
At this point I don't even need to talk about Juju. Out of all these wide receivers, I'm expecting them to either draft Drake May or Jaden Daniels as the two guys I would expect them to draft. I don't know if you know either one of them well enough to have a discussion, but someone's going to be good on that team. Do you have an idea of which one you think is going to be fantasy relevant to be draftable?
Speaker 2:
I want none of them. Let me preface that but Kendrick. Kendrick Bourne has to be the guy that people grab because he's been the only one that actually has been fantasy relevant. I mean Osborne has had a couple flashes, but I mean not much.
Speaker 1:
He's more of.
Speaker 2:
Josh Juju hasn't done squat on the Patriots and at least Bourne, you've seen that he can be consistent. 10 points like he's not crazy good, but he's not going to be a wide receiver. Three, I mean, I still don't want him, but if I had to pick one, that's the guy.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I agree, that's exactly the same thing I was thinking. So the next one, brendan, I think gives a little bit of a telling argument on worrying about the starter. So Devonta Foreman signs with the Browns At the end of the day, most people are going to be like that's not a big deal. Javante Foreman signs with the Browns At the end of the day, most people are going to be like that's not a big deal. However, the reports I'm having about Nick Chubb is very unlikely he's going to be ready for the season. It's very unlikely that he's going to be even adequate is what a lot of people are saying like halfway through the season. Now again, who knows, maybe he does the same thing javante williams did last year and somehow shows up week one and is ready to go, but still looks like sh*t because obviously still dealing with knee issues. I am concerned, brendan, that nick chubb, in my opinion, is almost undraftable I.
Speaker 2:
I don't think he's undraftable, but I would not be shocked if he starts the season on the pup, honestly or or he starts slow to where you wish he was on the pup, um, but I think I have him. I know we're going to talk about another guy later and I have him behind him, so I have him at like 34 I think which is, I don't even have him ranked yet he's like round eight for me.
Speaker 2:
I think I'd take the shot in round eight for what he could be, maybe if you have that playoff push. But there's no way you're drafting this guy thinking he's going to be your RB1 or 2 to start the season Like you got to.
Speaker 1:
Dumbasses are going to. But I agree, yeah, there's going to be dumbasses that do dumb asses to do it.
Speaker 2:
but he just had surgery in november. I think yeah, because he had multiple tears. So, like he, wrecked his knee yeah, like he, he really really got it good and he's what.
Speaker 1:
28 like he's getting up there in rb years, I think the thing is is like we have to stop, as a community of football fans, of comparing every motherf*cking person to Adrian Peterson. Like I'm tired of it. Man, adrian Peterson was a freak. Yeah, the next year he had his best season ever, I believe. I think he had 2000 yards. That's fine.
Speaker 2:
I don't think Nick Chubb is going to come back week one and pull this sh*t off, and as a fantasy community, we shouldn't expect it either and with this signing they are already telling you he's not, because they have Jerome Ford, which was their guy last year, and they're getting Donta Freeman, which he's literally been a journeyman for. Hey, my guys hurt. Can you fill in for a while?
Speaker 1:
foreman is legitimately and this is not joking he is nick chubb light. He don't do much but he can get like I wouldn't say doesn't much, but he's a straight line runner that is really good at his job yeah and he literally fills in.
Speaker 2:
He's been on teams every single year where he's been good because the starter got hurt well I guess, I guess cmc got traded, I guess, and then he became good, but but yeah he's.
Speaker 1:
He's not gonna catch the ball, he's gonna run the ball. He's gonna do a good job. They got a one, two point punch with jerome ford and him. Honestly, if you want a Browns running back, I think Jerome Ford is the guy, and when it comes to fantasy, I think he can be a low in RB2 even when Nick Chubb comes back, because they're going to use him. That's just my opinion.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, when Chubb's fully healthy. I don't think they really will.
Speaker 1:
I agree, but I think it's 2025.
Speaker 2:
Who knows when he's going to really come back like that.
Speaker 1:
All right, so Josh Reynolds is signing a two-year deal with the Broncos, and that's all I'm going to say, because it doesn't really f*cking matter.
Speaker 2:
I mean, I don't mind it, because they have nobody else there.
Speaker 1:
I guess they're hoping Tim Patrick comes back in two years.
Speaker 2:
I don't know if he will, but Sutton is, I guess, their guy. And then Josh Reynolds and Mims if Mims does anything. But Josh Reynolds, I liked his role for Detroit. I don't know what the heck it's going to be on the Broncos and who's going to throw him the ball.
Speaker 1:
So I don't think it's very relevant either.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1:
It's just one of those moves where you have to be like all right, that's where he went.
Speaker 2:
Yes, he wants money and not do anything.
Speaker 1:
Yep, yeah, and the last two aren't really information when it comes to players moving or anything like that. It says Gus Edwards was called the bell cow by the GM of the Chargers, which again at this point in the season, meaning they haven't even come close to starting. It could be a complete and utter lie, smokescreen kind of sh*t like that, but there is no one else on the.
Speaker 2:
Chargers. Brendan, I know I tell you what. If this is true, I mean I already have him. I think like 32, which seems crazy high for Gus Edwards. But if he's actually their go to guy on a team that has no other running back, no other receivers, and if they just want to run the ball, I'm in to get him in like round eight. I'm cool with that. But if this is a lie, anybody could actually be the bell cow, because who knows what this team at this point?
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I have Gus Edwards, 27, and it's kind of the same reason where I'm like if he truly is the bell cow, Even if he sucks, he'll still get 15 to 20 touches.
Speaker 2:
You give any guy 20 touches.
Speaker 1:
I mean they're going to be in the top 20. Like, I will draft them to be in that range, cause I'd rather have guys with higher ceilings. But yeah, I just thought it was kind of funny, it's something to note, cause it was like, wow, you're willing to say it. And then the last one is an unfortunate one, which is Rashid rice accident, and I think it was Dallas, texas, where it was like a Lamborghini and something else got into a high-speed accident Corvette I think Corvette, and he was the driver of the Lamborghini.
Speaker 1:
He is cooperating with local authorities this luckily, from what we know, nobody has died. But this is a very similar situation to the one we dealt with not that long ago with the Raiders, and the league obviously is going to take a look at this, and the way they hand out punishment could anywhere be to just barely a fine to an eight-game suspension. I don't really know how they're going to handle this situation, but for the Chiefs and the fact that I felt like Rasheed Rice was by far the wide receiver I wanted on the Chiefs until Hollywood Brown got there and I still like him when it comes to week to week, it sucks for fantasy, it sucks for the player and it kind of sucks for the chiefs.
Speaker 2:
I don't think it matters. I mean, I get what you're saying, but I bet, because it's the chiefs.
Speaker 1:
That's the only thing is he'll be fine, yeah. All of a sudden he gets a slap on the wrist. It's a stupid celebrity thing?
Speaker 2:
Yeah, he'll be fine. That's my thought.
Speaker 1:
But I hope you're right, but I don't trust the league.
Speaker 2:
I hope I'm right, but I also hope I'm wrong. I wish it wasn't the league that had to punish him that hey, you disobeyed the law or whatever. You are a normal, ordinary citizen.
Speaker 1:
whatever that normal punishment is you still get, I don't like the whole celebrity thing no, I agree, it's because it's like well, it's also the way the nfl works is like.
Speaker 1:
You may not even get punished in the court of public opinion, but you're gonna get punished by the nfl and you're like, okay, awesome yeah, that's the stupid part, that's the worst part, because you're like thank you for showing that it doesn't really matter. So, anyway, it's just something to talk about because, like I said, there's not a lot of news. So we're going to get into our topics for the night. I know we've talked far too long about other things, but I just wanted to mention basically the teams that did the best when it comes to so far before the actual NFL draft, with the offseason so far for 2024.
Speaker 1:
And then the worst teams, in my opinion, what they have done so far, and let's go with the best, because we're going to be nice and actually be positive for once, brendan, and we're going to talk about the teams, I think, who have done the best so far for fantasy purposes and this is fantasy purposes only. So, yes, the defense matters, but when it comes to like like the moves they made to make the players more relevant in fantasy, obviously the one that's number one on my list is the texans. I gave them an, a plus. The adding of stefan diggs is obviously huge, but their defense has improved to fantasy relevance. The adding of joe mixon means that they should have a running back that most people are drafting in the first five rounds. I like the moves that made brendan. I think they have won the off season when it comes to fantasy and otherwise so real life.
Speaker 2:
They definitely did fantasy. I don't know if I can give it an, a plus, because I don't like it. It makes me I hate it. It makes me more confused about it. There's certain players that are going to thrive, like how can stroud not thrive in this? Yes, but now you muddled collins. Being a wide borderline, wide receiver, one to like, I'm not sure anymore he's now wide receiver two one or, like a, two three three yeah, so I agree.
Speaker 2:
Overall they did great, but it's going to be so hard to project who's going to be good every week.
Speaker 1:
I feel like Joe Mixon is going to be higher than I expect, which is another thing where it's like where I have him, I don't think he'll finish five, but I do think Joe Mixon will finish in the top 20. I think that Tank Dell is going to be exactly. I don't think it affected him at all. You added, I think let's put it this way you're going to have three wide receivers in the top 40 is what I expect. They're running back inside the top 20, maybe even higher they should be a high powered offense.
Speaker 1:
Yes, in the quarterback and it moves Stroud up enough to make him sneaky enough for some people to draft in the top five for for quarterbacks. I don't think I could do it, but I understand if somebody wanted to.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, no they. I agree that they, they did the best, but now, when it comes to fantasy, it's a little muddled.
Speaker 1:
Yes, when it comes to fantasy stock, everyone rising the Falcons, they get an A as well. Adding Kirk Cousins jolts up Drake London jolts up Kyle Pitts brings the idea of the two additions of the wide receivers and I can't think of their names with Rondell Moore and Darnell Mooney. I think all those guys could be fantasy relevant. The Mooney-Moore thing could be confusing week to week, but I don't think Kirk Cousins is going to fall at much at all and Drake London could be a league winner if people don't get on the bandwagon. And Kyle Pitts could easily be a top-five tight end just for the fact that he is somebody who can actually throw the ball.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, I'm on the London train and Pitts I'm a little bit more skeptical on. Just because, yeah, it's Pitts, I don't blame him though. Yeah, no, but with Drake London I have him already too high. I think people will have it. He's going to be the Garrett Wilson of last year.
Speaker 1:
So where are you going to rise when you say he's too high? Because I am curious.
Speaker 2:
I have him 11 and I'm scared about that because he's almost my Drake London or my Garrett Wilson of last year. And look what happened to that. Now that was a QB going down, so different of last year. And look what happened to that. Now, that was a qb going down, so different. But like I'm so high on him, that I'm like yeah, I think I think the community will get there by the time we draft that's where I'm like 20.
Speaker 1:
Um, I think I had him about there before cousins, and then I'm like all right and put him there before cousins, because it was like who the f*ck is there unto him. But my issue with Drake London is, again, it's not his fault, it's the people around him who I'd rather have. That's what I mean. Drake London could be a league winner, because I think there's going to be people like you who move him way too high, and there's going to be people who are who move him way too high, and there's going to be people who are unwilling to move him at all or probably have him lower than they should, and he should fall maybe closer to like 15, and then I just can he become a number one.
Speaker 2:
That's the question so I have him round two overall right now and I don't know that I would actually take him mid round two round, but if he falls to round three, I think I'd take him every time, like I feel my rankings.
Speaker 1:
I don't.
Speaker 2:
I'm not a ranking slave to my own at all if I have him here, but there's somebody else, I'm like, oh, I gotta get him. I'll do it like it feels too high in my soul.
Speaker 1:
But here's where. Here's where I'm sitting there and I totally agree with you and I think I will move. I'm probably going to move him up even tonight. My question would be if I'm looking at drake london, would I rather have him over mike? Will mike evans? I have mike evans higher so I have mike evans 12, I have him nine.
Speaker 2:
I can't put him nine mean me neither, but by god, this guy's always there.
Speaker 1:
Dang it, I know I have him 12 for you. Remember that when you talked about your placeholder, that guy, there's my mike williams. So I have george pickens as my 13. Um, I know it's super high, but Russell Wilson style of play. Even if Justin Fields was there, I feel like it doesn't matter who the quarterback is. Pickens does not have anyone else to take touches away from him from the wide receiver decision for the Steelers. I feel like I'm going to move Drake London up, but I can't move him as high as you have him.
Speaker 2:
So the guys I have behind London, which is why I have him here I just feel like London has more upside Now. The guy I'm about to say has more upside, but he can't play a full season. So I have London, then I have Debo Samuel.
Speaker 1:
He just can't play a full season.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, and then Christian Kirk, which you know I love him.
Speaker 1:
I have Kirk 14.
Speaker 2:
Yep, and he's 13 for me, Chris Alave, I just have mixed feelings about him. And then I still have Nico at 15. I haven't moved him since the dig thing, dig sting. Then I have Ayuk Keenan Allen. I'm like London has so much more upside than these guys.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, he does, he does. And I mean I have Chris Olave 10, so I can't. I love him.
Speaker 2:
I think he'll be better this year, just because there's no way he wins. I love him, but I just have so mixed feelings about him.
Speaker 1:
I don't blame his ass. We watched him play. I don't blame most of the times where he was open, like it was Derek Carr.
Speaker 2:
Right. And I I like cousins more than car. Let's put it that way.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I did too. I'm going to hate it Cause I'm going to move them too f*cking high up too, cause it's your fault.
Speaker 2:
It's your fault.
Speaker 1:
I'm going to have this dude way too high, cause. I'm listening to your ass and I'm going to be like. I mean I agree, though, because Kirk Cousins has made Thielen Diggs. I mean Jefferson's a different beast than both those guys, but Jefferson.
Speaker 2:
London was drafted higher than Jefferson.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, well, that doesn't mean sh*t to me. Just saying so was some other guys.
Speaker 2:
Jalen Rager, john Ross, all right Falcons.
Speaker 1:
Good job. Yeah, john Ross, all right.
Speaker 2:
Falcons Good job.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, falcons did great Jets. Honestly, the Mike Williams is a bump because you have a second wide receiver if he plays, but the biggest thing for them is you didn't have Aaron Rodgers all year. Your offseason is going to improve because you have your quarterback back. As long as he plays, there's no way he's going to be worse. Improve because you have your quarterback back Long as he plays. There's no way he's going to be worse than what you had. I legit he could play probably play with one arm to like missing two legs and still be better than Zach Wilson. Yeah, because Wilson sucks.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, I mean I don't think you can say much about the Jets, Just basically you got Rodgers back. Yeah, rodgers back. You basically have what we thought last year going into this season.
Speaker 1:
I mean, and Brees Hall looking to be a monster, Like that's the difference.
Speaker 2:
He's RB2, no matter who you talk to, I hope.
Speaker 1:
I think I have him three for me.
Speaker 2:
What RB2.
Speaker 1:
I have him three for me what I have him three I have as soon as he went there. I have B John Robinson ahead of him. I can't do it.
Speaker 2:
I know you can't, we have him flopped. We have him flopped.
Speaker 1:
I understand, but I think that offense, I think the Falcons offense is going to be better than the Jets offense.
Speaker 2:
Could be close, depending on.
Speaker 1:
There's no way that a 48-year-old is going to be as good as Kirk.
Speaker 2:
Cousins, I understand what you're saying, but Hall has shown it more than Robinson so far.
Speaker 1:
I will agree and disagree at the exact same time.
Speaker 2:
I know it's a totally different situation, we don't need to get into it.
Speaker 1:
They're probably three picks apart, I mean no sh*t, they're gonna be in the top. I bet they're both top six um, and then bangles. Obviously. Same situation. You got joe burrow back. You brought t higgins back. I actually like the addition of zach moss. I think that's going to be better than Joe Mixon.
Speaker 2:
Dude, metric-wise Moss is better, Like that sounds so gross to say.
Speaker 1:
I feel like Zach Moss could be a sneaky, sneaky good pick in fantasy.
Speaker 2:
I had Moss. No joke, I just swapped him and Mixon, Like I did at one point, and I'm like let's not be too hasty now. So I do have Moss still as an RB22, but I'm a little concerned with chase brown. Like I do think chase brown will take some touches away. So I think I have moss too high still, but he could be one of them I think will be sneaky good I think zach moss is going to be used more, so I think with Chase Brown is watching him.
Speaker 1:
This is now year three of hearing about this guy, and once we get to the, I think it's year three Pretty sure.
Speaker 2:
I thought it was year two. Yeah, I think it's two Was he a rookie last year.
Speaker 1:
I can't remember?
Speaker 2:
I think so.
Speaker 1:
I hate when that happens, where I feel like they talked about a guy like they. They talked about a guy like they. They talked about him so much last year.
Speaker 2:
I was like Jesus, is this guy going to be actually good?
Speaker 1:
Yeah, no, last year was his rookie year, so rookie year I Got to see it first and I've seen it with Zach Moss. So I feel I hear you, but I don't know.
Speaker 2:
We've seen it in that. Yeah, that's it. That's the problem. Zach Moss is like if he could be what he was for those six games. For the Colts, holy crap. He's going to be Joe Mixon. For the Bengals, he's going to be top 10. But if he's what we saw him with the Bills, okay, he's RB28. Who knows he's RB48.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, yeah, who knows, brendan, I hate you. I don't like thinking this hard.
Speaker 2:
Hey, this is why we talk this out. You know I have him RB21, if it makes any difference to you, but I don't.
Speaker 1:
I have him RB27 right now and it's honestly.
Speaker 2:
Because I have Chase Brown at 34.
Speaker 1:
And like I'm not super high on Zach Moss yet, Because I just don't like again, I agree.
Speaker 2:
I don't know what I'm looking at, but I know I'm too high on him at this point, but yeah, by the time, I feel like Zach Moss and Joe Mixon need to be in my top 20. Yeah, you know, zach.
Speaker 1:
Moss might be my David Montgomery for you last year.
Speaker 2:
Oh, don't move that guy, don't do that.
Speaker 1:
I feel like I put him well. I mean, remember I had cleo herbert in my top six for a while. Then I grew a pair of balls and realized that was stupid. Um which clearly that was a good, good decision.
Speaker 2:
But zach moss makes so much sense I know, but if they didn't, if they didn't play chase brown at all last year because chase brown is, the more dynamic it's. I know, I know this is a better.
Speaker 1:
It's a dumb comparison, but it's almost a montgomery.
Speaker 2:
They didn't play Chase Brown at all last year because Chase Brown is the more dynamic I know he's a better. It's a dumb comparison, but it's almost a Montgomery. To Gibbs, that's kind of what it feels like. It's on an obviously lower level, but Moss is going to get the touchdowns. Chase Brown is going to be explosive.
Speaker 1:
That's what it's going to be? Yeah, but the thing is the way the Bengals run the ball in the red zone. I'd rather have Zach Moss.
Speaker 2:
Me too, but it all depends on value. Is it going to be a?
Speaker 1:
Jalen Tolbert versus was it? Oh, I hope not.
Speaker 2:
Situation where just or a Damian Harris from a few years ago, I mean it could be. That's the risk. Here is where Zach Moss is almost going to always go in round seven, I feel like, and you either take him thinking he could be a top 10 guy or could literally be a 40-plus guy.
Speaker 1:
I spent 10 hours trying to figure out these f*cking rankings because of you Moving on, so we're going to talk about the teams. I feel like it did the worst can I add a?
Speaker 2:
few so I don't know if I'd consider them a, but I think, just I'm not going in depth, but I do think the steelers literally just adding two quarterbacks for free, yeah, I feel like that deserves a pretty good grade.
Speaker 1:
I gave him a, b plus yeah, yeah, because they just added those quarterbacks for nothing and, honestly, getting rid of deontay johnson to me doesn't matter when it comes to fantasy, like deontay johnson will probably be fine for the panthers it helps pickens, and I think pickens becomes your actual, has a potential to be a wide receiver one.
Speaker 2:
So I agree yeah and then um, I guess I can do two more the um, the lions, just because they didn't do much and re-signed a couple key guys.
Speaker 1:
I I'll give them a, c because they haven't done anything.
Speaker 2:
But yes, I agree I I know, but I'm kind of glad they didn't need anything, right like they need it they, so they actually do.
Speaker 1:
They need a f*cking wide receiver one. I'm on raw saint brown is slot. They need a true yeah, I guess so, because if they had a, true rex, that offense would be unstoppable because you have laporta who, like, basically plays your kelsey all right, they'll trade for Higgins all right, I would God that would be my Super Bowl favorites. You put LaPorta and Higgins on one team. I'm going to have to get two jerseys, Uh-oh.
Speaker 2:
If we ever go to Detroit. And then my last one for the category, just because they're trying. I don't know if this is really going to pan out, but I know we talked about this a little bit. The Titans, they're trying. They're trying to add some value with bringing in Pollard, bringing in Ridley, they're bringing in Sneed for the defense to make it a little bit more relevant. I agree.
Speaker 1:
They're trying, but Will Levis has to be better than Suck, I know. If he is. Look, this is a situation where the Titans make the most sense for the team that takes the biggest jump. But they could easily if Will Levis could be even average NFL quarterback.
Speaker 2:
They are competing for that division Because they have pieces to make that team good enough to win games and that's why I'm going to throw them up there in this discussion, just because they're trying to help him out to win.
Speaker 1:
They got him we'll see what happens. I mean you have the running backs. I mean tajay spears and tony pollard. That's enough back there to be solid. You have two number ones one's aging, other ones aging but you have two dudes that are. They're both wide receiver ones in most people's eyes. If will levis can be above average. Now what from from what I saw last year, I didn't see I wasn't as bad as Kenny Pickett, but that's a low bar. I would say he's close he, when I saw him play enough.
Speaker 2:
It's incomplete, we know.
Speaker 1:
When I saw him play last year and I watched him play. I got it's going to feel real bad saying that. I got some Blaine Gabbard feelings from him.
Speaker 2:
I was almost thinking like Jameis Winston, like yuck it and see what happens.
Speaker 1:
I feel like he yucked it a lot Again, but that's Blaine Gavard who gives sh*t, just yuck it. I got some feelings where it was like you got this issue where you just don't have a lot up top to lead you. What you need to do Like some quarterbacks man, when you watch him, there's nothing going on up there. What you need to do Like some quarterbacks man, when you watch him, there's nothing going on up there and he just I don't feel like he goes through his progressions. Well, maybe he'll be better this year, but you're talking a completely new coaching staff. This could be rough for them getting started. I mean, again, it's really tough when you look at the Texans and you have to make Orion's. That transition was fantastic.
Speaker 1:
Most head coaches who start don't pull a Matt LaFleur, a D'Amico Ryans. They come in and look like sh*t for a while. I guess even Sean McVay there's been more good coaches who've been rookies than there usually is. You don't. Normally they're closer to like what you refuse. For the bears that's what you're kind of looking at where it's rough. Yeah, he does have thelus. For the Bears that's what you're kind of looking at where it's rough yeah, he does have the weapons. The Titans I agree.
Speaker 2:
I just want to throw them in there as honorable mentions, okay.
Speaker 1:
If they could get a quarterback. That, I mean, is so let's put prime Ryan Tannehill versus what we saw from Will Levis last year. Again, he could improve. Obviously, I would rather have prime Ryan Tannehill, and that's not really a hell of a lot, but giving Titans fans a little reason to scream. You got to get mad at somebody. You might as well get mad at me, because I don't like people who eat mayonnaise and bananas, because I f*cking hate bananas.
Speaker 2:
Well, mix the two together and maybe you'll like it.
Speaker 1:
I don't like mayonnaise enough to make a banana better, all right, so teams that I think did the worst. When it comes to fantasy, and I think the first one's the most controversial because I've added pieces I don't Well again, fantasy not for the teams.
Speaker 1:
Exactly so. I don't like what the Bears did when it comes to fantasy. I love the Keenan Allen trade for the team, but I don't think Keenan Allen can be anywhere close to where I had him before. Like I had him in my top 10 wide receivers, I have him now. You know, whenever I'm looking for a guy, where are you, keenan Allen?
Speaker 2:
I think I had him 11.
Speaker 1:
I have him 25. And I have DJ Moore, even lower. I can't remember where I put him, but I have DJ more lower than that. I have him 37. I don't like either one of them because I don't know what Caleb Williams is going to be and DeAndre Swift's. The same situation where, like a good offensive line for the Eagles, garbage offensive line for the Bears. It's still sh*t. They haven't done anything to make me think that offensive line's gotten better, so Caleb Williams is going to be behind. Think that offensive line has gotten better, so Caleb Williams is going to be behind. A sh*t offensive line with two wide receivers. I don't think that's going to be good for fantasy.
Speaker 2:
I really don't, and a running back right.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, and a running back that sucked with sh*tty offensive linemen. I mean, he's never had a sh*tty offensive line. Honestly, deandre swift played with the lions, who had one of the best offensive lines, and then he went to the eagles with one of the best offensive lines. What's this dude gonna do when the hole is like the size of a freaking pencil?
Speaker 2:
I just fine, he's a.
Speaker 1:
He's a pencil too all right, I just don't think he's. I just don't like the moves for fantasy. I obviously I. There's no denying they're taking caleb williams.
Speaker 2:
I am not a caleb williams fan, I'll fully admit it I think it could be good if caleb williams actually comes out and does what they think he's going to do. I think it could be fine. But like, like you said, having keenan allen go from justin herbert to an unproven rookie, that hurts. And then having a elite receiver that we haven't seen any drop-off from dip into dj moore's receptions, like yeah, everything that. And then, and then uh, swift coming in and who knows what their running backs are at this point.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I mean you still khalil herbert johnson guys that were fantasy somewhat relevant last year.
Speaker 2:
Like it kind of hurts everyone. So I get why you gave them a d in this scenario as a team. I like what they're doing. They're trying to make the offense better for a rookie quarterback, giving him everything they need, but. But like, ah, fantasy, it just makes it gross.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, it hurts so much when you look at like. I mean, keenan Allen probably had two more years of fantasy relevance when it comes to like actually being in the top 10 with Justin Herbert.
Speaker 2:
Cause, that's what you would just expect and they have nobody else there, so Keenan Allen is the guy that's what's like expect and they have nobody else there. So Keenan Allen is the guy. That's what's like oh, he's top 10 lock. And now it's like can he even be in?
Speaker 1:
top 24? And then even move DJ Moore. I had DJ Moore at 17.
Speaker 2:
I think I had him 13.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I had him, and then as soon as he hit. I kept moving him lower and lower, and lower and lower, to the point where I was like I don't want anything to do with him at all, Like I don't think he is. He's a wide receiver to three turn.
Speaker 2:
I would still take Keenan Allen over him. I think Keenan Allen is safer. He's still better, but I love DJ Moore's talent also.
Speaker 1:
I know, but DJ Moore is kind of AJ Brown light, where I like them more than I should yeah and they're not elite talent but they're right at the cusp like michael pitman. That level of like you're not elite but you're right there at being really good, like it's that level.
Speaker 2:
But the issue is I need a better quarterback for dj more and I think he would pop off like, oh, I was. I was so happy we got traded. I'm like uh to the bears and he was good last year.
Speaker 1:
I mean not a week but he was.
Speaker 2:
They had a connection, but I, the guy I'm totally out on not totally, but I guarantee he's gonna go way higher than I want is. I don't want swift. I've been out on him since his sophom*ore year. I feel like, like I, I just can't do it anymore with him, like, yeah, the talent's there. He's still only like 26, but I'm like I, I don't care, yeah.
Speaker 1:
I have Swift to the point where I I mean I have him 29. I I don't, and that's me expecting him to be the number one running back, but I think Johnson is the better running back. They just didn't give him any shot. I watched the dude play for Texas. That kid is good, but it's one of those situations where you didn't draft him high, so will he ever get a shot? What?
Speaker 2:
his fourth round, something like that, yeah.
Speaker 1:
So I mean it's just like I think he could be. Could he be your Chuba Hubbard, where he's the guy who actually takes over for the guy who's getting way more money? By the way, why haven't the Panthers cut Miles Sanders? Just f*cking do it.
Speaker 2:
I don't think it makes a difference. This year they would cut him next year.
Speaker 1:
I think they still owe him, so it wouldn't matter, so just holding them for him to sit by the backup and get paid $6 million, probably because it's probably still guaranteed, so yeah, yeah, idiots, shade franchise.
Speaker 1:
Anyway, Cowboys, I gave an F. They're one of my two Fs, actually I guess I should say three Fs. Losing Michael Gallup's not a big deal, but losing Tony Pollard and not adding anyone. They didn't do anything. That's why Not adding anyone for a while Anything.
Speaker 1:
But like, my question is is like what's the game plan, folks? You lost your right tackle or is it left tackle? They lost Smith I think it's their left tackle which again, he's been hurt a lot. Whatever, they lost like 20 dudes and re-signed. Like three People retired. And you signed Eric Kendricks Like yay, what a way to show off. I look at the Cowboys and I'm like I think this team's going to be way worse than they were last year and like what are you like? You haven't. Or you signed Dak Prescott Like I don't know what they're doing. It's confusing to the point where it almost makes me mad, and I don't even like the Cowboys. I just want to know what the f*ck you're doing. Like tell me, is there somebody that I've never heard of that's going to come out of nowhere and be good? Is deuce? Is it deuce Vaughn? Is that his name? Is he going to be your starting running?
Speaker 2:
back. I think he is at this point.
Speaker 1:
And it's just because his dad works for you, because it's the truth. Don't be these guys. Jerry Jones, I know you're going to see now at 114, but I hate it, brendan, because I thought the Cowboys had a chance to actually get Derrick Henry. I mean sh*t, because I thought the Cowboys had a chance to actually get Derrick Henry. I mean sh*t. There was 400 running backs out there and they couldn't grab one.
Speaker 2:
Well, what I heard with that is Derrick Henry wanted to go there and they didn't call him.
Speaker 1:
They didn't call him, and even Saquon Barkley, which is what you talked about, made a lot of sense.
Speaker 2:
No, let's let the.
Speaker 1:
Eagles sign him.
Speaker 2:
They didn't do sh*t, they're probably going to get Elliott back, which is going to be okay for fantasy, that's a slow clash. That's fine, yeah, but like, yeah, they didn't do anything, so I understand the F. I don't think F might be a little harsh, because Do you know why they?
Speaker 1:
got an F, f*ck them.
Speaker 2:
True, but like they just didn't. They don't need anything, they just didn't do anything.
Speaker 1:
I mean they needed another wide receiver. But that's the difference from the Lions.
Speaker 2:
for me, the Lions are like they're pretty good. They don't need much Cowboys. You got rid of like 20 dudes like you didn't find someone.
Speaker 1:
So the difference is is like when you say the Lions and the Cowboys, you didn't lose anything If you would have lost David Montgomery and you didn't re-sign a running back or you lose Josh Reynolds, what cares?
Speaker 1:
They deserve an F because you've got to do something at the running back position. There's no way that Deuce Vaughn can be your number one and there's no running back in this draft. That's a guy that you can trust week to week, year one. I don't think I've done enough research on the running backs and the wide receivers and the quarterbacks. I should say for fantasy wise when it comes to rookies. I don't look at any of the running backs this year and be like, yeah, yeah, this guy could be a starter. Week one I don't look at any of the running backs this year and be like, yeah, yeah, this guy could be a starter week one.
Speaker 2:
I don't even think there's a round one in question running. I don't even know if there's a round right. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
Like there might be a dude that goes around too, but this is a draft where you're not going to get even a Charbonnet. Well, these are all dudes that have question marks.
Speaker 2:
And that's what's crazy is.
Speaker 1:
Last year there was two in the first round top 12, like there's nothing like bijan robinson and gibbs were both good, yeah, and I thought gibbs was gonna be like I thought he's gonna suck because I thought he's too small and proved me wrong small guys winning. But it's yeah, cowboys, you get your f the Giants, I gave them a D Can you sign a f*cking wide receiver.
Speaker 2:
How hard is it to do this? They did. They got burned when they did that. You know Galladay didn't work out.
Speaker 1:
Galladay. That was stupid to begin with Because I mean he had a very specific skill set, but you couldn't go out and you can't even get like a Tyler Boyd, do something this team is going to be. Even they don't have a running back outside of Devin Singletary, which is obviously going to be their starter. It's not Saquon Barkley, so losing him alone moves you to a D category because you didn't do anything to replace him. That's like I mean, you're not going to get that talent level, but you could have done something, signed a few wide receivers. Darren Waller might not even come back. We still don't know what the hell he's doing at this point. So they get a D.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, fantasy-wise it hurt some because they got rid of Barkley, obviously right, but I mean I actually love the replacement they got. I love Devin Singletary, I love.
Speaker 1:
Devin Singletary. I like Devin Singletary, so I don't mind that at all.
Speaker 2:
So D a little harsh for getting rid of Barkley for Singletary, and then I feel like everything else was just non-fantasy at all. There was no moves that you cared about, right. So that's where it's a little tough.
Speaker 1:
They didn't do anything to help fantasy wise, so I understand you needed to get a quarterback to back up Daniel Jones that you trusted. You didn't do that, and then you needed to get a wide receiver. It's not a conversation anymore.
Speaker 2:
They got to say a McKenzie. What do you mean? Okay, so you add another slot receiver to the team with too many slot wide receivers like you, gotta get a guy I hear you, they don't have a a number one at all.
Speaker 1:
They only have a guy that you're gonna draft, maybe wandell robinson, but we've been talking about him for legit three years. Yeah, I, you ain't getting anything out of that sh*t. Like, as long as daniel jones is the quarterback, you're only going to have daniel jones in this, and this year it's going to be even worse because daniel jones doesn't have a dude in the backfield that's going to be able to catch, really like singletary can catch, but he doesn't. He's not going to be obviously as versatile as Saquon Barkley. So anyway, giants, you get your D Cardinals. I give them a D because kind of similar situation to the Cowboys.
Speaker 2:
You have what Wilson as a wide receiver and Well, they're going to most likely draft one unless they trade down, get down and again these are before your draft, so this these will change.
Speaker 1:
If they get marvin harrison or malik neighbors, they'll go up, but at the same time, like you have no wide receivers, you really haven't come up with a way to. I guess you kind of protected yourself with james connor getting hurt because it did sign another running back. But I just I don't like the moves for fantasy. I mean, kyler murray needs someone besides trey mcbride to throw to and wilson someone until until the draft.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, I hear you, but at the same time losing Marquise Brown. I don't think that's a step down at all if they get Harrison or Nabbers.
Speaker 1:
If they get those dudes to step up. This isn't draft time yet, so I can't give it to them until draft and once the draft comes, they may even get to a B, depending on how good their draft is.
Speaker 2:
They tried to improve the offensive line a little bit. They got a nice backup quarterback, Desmond Ritter. But I mean yeah they haven't done a lot either.
Speaker 1:
They've just gotten worse from what they were last year. When you look at them right now the Broncos they get an F and they get an F for many reasons. One Sean Payton. Grow up Like the fact that you have a sh*t quarterback and you will not do anything to move on from that and you're not going to draft one because those dudes are all going to be gone. You're going to be drafting like Bo Nix or some sh*t. You got rid of Jerry Judy, which I'm not. I know you're a bigger Jerry Judy fan than me, but he was a good wide receiver. I don't think he was a great wide receiver by any means. I think the Browns are stupid for extending him, but it's I agree on that second part.
Speaker 1:
But the Broncos are going into next year and you have 9000 questions and none of them are going to be answered because you don't have a quarterback that you can even remotely trust. You needed to do something at the quarterback position at minimal, bring in a backup.
Speaker 2:
This, to me, is um F minus, like the worst.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, they have an F minus.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, they didn't do anything and lost anything that was worthwhile. Like they literally brought nobody in worthwhile and lost. Like eight starters. Like I don't know what they're doing outside of trying to lose out to get a good draft pick next year. Like are they taking?
Speaker 1:
like you have. You have 80. You're 80 million dollars in the hook for russell wilson over the next two years, true, so obviously cutting him is a big deal too, because you know you could say, oh, but like they, russell wilson overall was not bad. Statistically he looked fine. A lot of people said he looked on like a below average whatever, I don't. When I saw him play, I thought he played well enough. I think he's average, and when you're wanting to be, that's not going to happen and he's getting paid elite money.
Speaker 1:
But when you look at what the Broncos are doing, there is no game plan in my mind. There is no path forward currently, and for fantasy, I don't want anybody besides Javante Williams. And at this point, if they can't get a quarterback that can throw the ball, he's even Williams. And at this point, if they can't get a quarterback that can throw the ball, he's even scary, and that's why he's as low as he is. For me, if they had a quarterback that you could even remotely trust, I think Javante Williams vaults up my board because I do think his talent would equal the worthwhile pick. But I can't do it right now because what the f*ck?
Speaker 2:
Yeah no, I agree, I mean they suck, move on. Yeah, no, I agree, I mean they they suck.
Speaker 1:
Move on, chargers. I got to give him a D minus. You get rid of Mike Williams. That's all I know. It hurts. It hurts me too, because I actually like Herbert. I love John Harbaugh or Jim Harbaugh I should say Michigan fan but you lose Mike Williams. I understand it. Injury prone you got to get rid of him.
Speaker 1:
The trade of Keenan Allen. Okay, they are so cap stricken they really don't have a choice to do anything but keep just shaving cap off. Maybe if in the fifth pick they take a wide receiver like neighbors we're not having this conversation and they move up the board a little bit, they may even move to like a c plus, because I feel like you know neighbors more talented than keenan allen coming out of college. That doesn't mean anything, but they don't have a running back that we can literally look at and be like, yeah, yeah, that guy's gonna be good. I mean, it's f*cking gus will, f*cking Gus Williams. I guess Edwards at this point, like perennial backup to had to start the last few years Cause JK Dobbins can't stay on the field. I, you, brendan, I don't know, man, like I feel bad for this. I feel bad for Justin Herbert because, as much as I love Jim Harbaugh, this year is going to be a sh*t show.
Speaker 2:
Yep Is going to be a sh*t show. Yep, it's the Herbert oh man. I'm a Herbert truther too and I'm like, ooh, I don't know if I can have him in my top 12 at this point.
Speaker 1:
I have Herbert, I think I'm 14.
Speaker 2:
I think I have him 10, still I haven't dropped him too far, I'm 16.
Speaker 2:
If they get Nabbers, I'm going to love Nabbers Like whoever Is the Whoever goes, I'm going to love Nabbers like whoever is that, yeah, whoever goes top tier to them. If they stay in their position, I'm going to love, because they have nobody else there. I don't know that they're going to do that, though, but that will jump their grade up, but with the way they stand, ouch, they took a hit like I agree it is a T at this point to where, like what are you supposed to think? Like you can't even really draft herbert anymore with two of his receivers, that he's had the last four years gone.
Speaker 1:
He's got nothing no, yeah, I it's and eckler's on like in losing eckler's, not a massive deal. You got three studs fantasy wise when they play yeah gone yeah, and you're also talking about just what's the plan like. Again, we don't know. It's year one shaving cap. You got to figure this sh*t out, but the plan is not there. Bills, my next one. I gave them an F.
Speaker 1:
Still don't have a plan. Yes, the Bills are in a similar situation to my opinion of the Chargers, where it's like I give them an F because before I had them as a C Didn't really do anything. I wanted them to add some wide receiver depth. You brought in Curtis Samuel and Matt Collins Okay. I wanted him to add some wide receiver depth you brought in Curtis Samuel and Matt Collins Okay. So maybe a C+. Their defense is not fantasy relevant anymore because of all the players you lost. I mean, that's the big reason they got rid of half their defense.
Speaker 2:
It's like a new regime now. You got rid of your studs that were there for like five years.
Speaker 1:
I mean, yes, Tredavious. White has been hurt for a while.
Speaker 2:
I get it poyer hurt a lot of these dudes you got rid of like a high, like that was their staple yeah.
Speaker 1:
So their defense is not fantasy relevant in my opinion anymore? Probably not. Then you lose stefan dicks and you look at it overall and you go. What is this going to be for fantasy? And if the defense is no longer a top five defense and you're looking probably undraftable on the defensive side and Shakir and Curtis Samuel would probably be your wide receiver somebody's drafting at this point, maybe James Cook takes a slight bump because they're going to need to give the Probably be your wide receiver, somebody's drafting At this point, maybe James Cook takes a slight bump Because they're going to need to give the ball to somebody. We had our conversation with Josh Allen. It muddies the water so much with this team.
Speaker 2:
That it's hard not to give them an F. Yeah, I can't disagree, they've. The problem is that they were A tier offense and only got worse. So I don't know if I can go F, but they definitely took a dip and you got rid of your best player on the team as far as fantasy wise which then hurts.
Speaker 1:
Yeah yeah, but then also hurts the other, the best player on your team yeah, so I yeah no matter what they say, it's gonna be a hit on josh allen.
Speaker 2:
Maybe it's not, it still might be qb1, but he's not gonna score 450 fantasy points now Unless he runs the ball like a mother Right. Which I thought they were trying to get away from, but maybe not Not the game plan so far.
Speaker 1:
And then, finally, the last team I have is Miami, and there's a couple of reasons for this. I got them as a D and I know that might seem weird, because it it's like well, miami didn't lose a whole lot and they gained. You know they didn't gain anything either, but the re-signing of motester brendan muddies the waters with a chan, and that's what kind of makes this d now, in my opinion, isn't like oh you suck ass. A C is no moves, a D is okay, you didn't do enough to give nothing happened. But when it comes to Mostert, and A-Chan, who are you?
Speaker 1:
going to take, because I feel like A-Chan was going to be like. A lot of people had that dude in the top 10 at running back and now Mostert's back, so we saw what most of it last year. Are we just going to completely believe he falls off the planet and just it sucks?
Speaker 2:
so I had hm pretty high. I may still do. I have 13 and I'm like, yeah, I don't know if I'd actually take him there. I'd probably probably take a receiver over him, but I had him even higher prior to that. And then I had Mostert like non-existent, but I moved Mostert into. I think he's RB 28 now and I'm like I need to probably move him up because I think Josh McDaniels like likes him a lot. Yeah right, I agree.
Speaker 1:
I have him 38 and this is before he re-signed, because I thought he'd end up on another team and I'm like I have hn 12 and there's no way I can take him at 12 he, he might finish the season there, but he's gonna have that 40 point game most I think is gonna be the guy.
Speaker 2:
I don't think he's to have the touchdowns like he did this last year. He's going to be involved. Mostert might be another sleeper league winner guy, because people are going to discount him.
Speaker 1:
I think they like him. I agree, josh McDaniels has known him since he was with the 49ers.
Speaker 2:
As soon as he got him he was like yep, you're my guy.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, yeah. And if he wouldn't have gotten hurt two years ago, I think he would have finished not in the top 10, but he would have been a top 15 running back Because he got hurt when he first got there, because it was him and Jeff Wilson, he likes him, so right. The issue is is for me it moves HN way down my board and the other thing is, is I really do again, this is my opinion. I think they needed to get a wide receiver outside of Ty I. I personally think they should have traded Jalen waddle and they should have brought in a I guess tall dude's not the right way to put it but a more prototypical one or a prototypical two, because the waddle Tyree kill experiment, it's just Tyree kill. I think that experiment's done. I think we're not going to see a another waddle 10, tyree kill three scenario ever again.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, I have waddle so far down that it's embarrassing.
Speaker 1:
I feel like you may not be as down on it.
Speaker 2:
I need to move them up. I have him.
Speaker 1:
Where do you have?
Speaker 2:
a 28? Like I. I just feel like it's one of those guys that I'm like. I'm tired of getting hurt. He is the two fiddled in the offense like I have him 29 yeah, like I, it feels gross to put him there because I don't think he's not. He's not not talented no, he's talented. Easily could be 12. But like dude, show me at first.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, you had one. You had your rookie year, yeah, and that was great. And last year, high hopes and all I saw was Tyree kill takeover and you do basically nothing, even when you were healthy.
Speaker 2:
Yep.
Speaker 1:
And that's my problem with him, man, like I just don't think he can be your number two in this offense. I think he could be a number two in a different offense. I think it would have made a lot of sense for Miami to trade him, because I think someone would have paid you more than you would have expected for him because of the wide receivers out there and what you can get for wide receivers that are under a rookie contract, and it's fine. You didn't make a move, but I think Miami needed to make a few moves and they didn't. That's why I gave them a D.
Speaker 2:
Yep, I can't disagree.
Speaker 1:
All right, do you have anybody else?
Speaker 2:
Hmm, I mean I think the other one I'd throw in there that I feel like you could have improved and didn't would be the Saints. I mean I think the only one, the other one I'd throw in there that, like I feel like you could have improved and didn't would be the Saints, Like they didn't do anything. I got fantasy at all.
Speaker 1:
Because I feel like, honestly, what they did is they lost Thomas and they replaced him with Cedric Wilson, and that's not much of a difference. Yeah Well, right, yeah, they didn't do anything.
Speaker 2:
The only big dip they did was chase young, which, okay, that doesn't matter really for fantasy.
Speaker 1:
His press conference when he was wearing a neck brace. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I agree, I, I think the saints, I have them as a c because they just really haven't done anything that would make fantasy otherwise.
Speaker 2:
Right, but I think I'd put them D because they need to do something. That's true, they need another wide receiver.
Speaker 1:
Honestly, they probably needed another running back, just in case. I mean, I know Kamara is good still, but it would have made sense to bring someone else in.
Speaker 2:
I think that's the only other one I really have to add.
Speaker 1:
So we're going to talk about rookies tonight. We're not going to do it. We've gone long enough. We will talk about rookies so we will be back before the draft. We'll talk about them, probably week-ish, maybe a little over. The draft's coming up pretty quick, brendan, so we'll get in a quick podcast about rookies that you really don't know anything about, that's right, right.
Speaker 2:
So it'll be a podcast. I'll be talking a lot.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, read up about them because, uh, honestly, most of them aren't going to matter. We're going to talk about outside of a few of them because that's how fantasy works, especially quarterbacks, wide receivers decently deep this year running Running backs. Not much, yep, nothing, not going to say anything else, just dead quiet back there. Uh-huh, alright, talk to you guys soon. Outro Music.
